This episode is the Canna Czar episode – I have a great conversation with Carolyn Cudmore, the creator of the Canna Czar and Orville Bovenschen, President of Pure Sunfarms on the challenges of bringing such an innovative product to market – then we follow that up with Cultivar Corner brought to you by Up in Smoke, by taking the Canna Czar for a ride- a nice long, smooth ride.
This episode is the Canna Czar episode – I have a great conversation with Carolyn Cudmore, the creator of the Canna Czar and Orville Bovenschen, President of Pure Sunfarms on the challenges of bringing such an innovative product to market – then we follow that up with Cultivar Corner brought to you by Up in Smoke, I take the Canna Czar for a ride- a nice long, smooth ride.
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Speaker 1
From a studio high above the clouds of the Okanagan Valley. This is the cannabis podcast.
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Speaker 1
Exploring the world of Canadian cannabis culture. One toke at a time.is your host and Bud tender Gary Johnston.
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Gary Johnston
And that is an opportunity for me to once again welcome you back to the Cannabis Podcast. Thank you so much for coming back. Or maybe I'm wrong and sometimes I am. This could be your very first visit, if it is. Here's an especially warm welcome for you. I had probably today, we've got a little bit over 40 minutes of information about cannabis and in fact, some very specific information about cannabis.
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Gary Johnston
Before we get too much further, let me remind you, this podcast is intended for those of legal consumption age in your jurisdiction and is intended purely for entertainment and perhaps educational purposes. You should always consume your cannabis responsibly. In this episode, we're going to call it the cancer episode. I have a great conversation with Carolyn Cudmore, the creator of the Canna Czar, and Orville Bovenschen, the president of Pure Sunfarms, on the challenges of bringing such an innovative product to market.
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Gary Johnston
And then once the conversation is over, we're going to follow that up with Cultivar Corner, brought to you by Up in Smoke. When we take the Canna Czar for a ride, a nice, long, smooth ride. All of that and more on episode 186 of the Cannabis Podcast.
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Gary Johnston
Now, of course, before we get too much further, I can't carry on until I thank you for being a listener. Thank you so much for being here. And I also want to thank those who are supporting me in other ways. For example, you can go to buy me a coffee.com/cannabis podcast. And if you feel so inclined, you can buy me a doobie.
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Gary Johnston
Like Jordan has and like Joel did. In fact, thanks so much, Joel. Buy me five doobies and Joel and his team at the Flight Cannabis Co on Vancouver Island are tuning in every week. Thank you so much, Joel. I truly appreciate that. And on Patreon, I want to thank my patrons and we have a new member of the family.
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Gary Johnston
Welcome, Justin to the Patreon family. Thanks for coming along for the ride, Justin. I truly appreciate it. And we also want to thank Tony, Rob, Gage, Lloyd and Roger. Then there it is. I think we thank everybody. Have a thank you. Yes I have. Thank you so much for being here. And we're going to dive right into our feature conversation for the episode where we have a conversation with Carolyn Cudmore, the creator of the Canna Czar, and Orville Bovenschen, the president of Pure Sunfarms.
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Gary Johnston
I think you're going to enjoy the conversation. Originally from the East Coast. Carolyn Cudmore has experience in graphic design. She's helped to create great user experiences at EA, provided catering to the teams at Sony and Microsoft, and she eventually found her way into the cannabis space studying cannabis facility management at Cawthorne Polytechnic and horticulture at Oaksterdam University gave her the foundation to follow her cannabis dreams.
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Gary Johnston
Carolyn saw a gap in the market for premium quality pre-rolls and she founded the pre-roll factory dedicated to delivering pure strain pre-rolls. When she started playing with waxing, creating elaborate joints infused with premium extracts. Her creativity was sparked and the end result is the cancer. Welcome to the Cannabis Podcast, Carolyn Cudmore.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Thank you Gary. That was quite an intro. Thank you.
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Gary Johnston
And now let me do the same thing for our other guest as president of Pure Sunfarms Orville Bovenschen works to empower growth, deliver operational excellence, and nurture a culture of accountability across the organization with a proven track record of driving strategic excellence. Orville's journey is a testament to his unwavering commitment to achieving results. Orville's operational prowess shone brightly as he stepped into the role of Chief Operating Officer of Pure Sunfarms, where he spearheaded initiatives that increased production efficiency, propelling the company to new heights in the market.
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Gary Johnston
His pragmatic approach to operational excellence not only bolstered the bottom line, but has also contributed to pure Sunfarms reputation as a market leader. Born and raised in the Netherlands, a country that has openly embraced the consumption of cannabis for over 40 years, Orville has an appreciation for all the plant can provide. At the heart of his philosophy. For pure Sunfarms lies a deep respect for the company's cultivation foundation.
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Gary Johnston
The plants his leadership has been marked by his unwavering belief that a culture of honesty and accountability is essential. This approach fosters collaboration and unites teams with a shared purpose. Orville's commitment to instilling these qualities across the organization resonate in every facet of his work. Orville Bovenschen, welcome to the Cannabis Podcast.
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Orville Bovenschen
Well, thank you so much. There was indeed quite a quite the introduction. It's a pleasure to be on. Absolute pleasure to be on.
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Gary Johnston
I'm excited to have you here. I tried out the Canna Czar last night. Really, really impressed. You've you've got an excellent product here that is going to be featured in another episode of this particular, podcast, in the cultivar corner, which is my feature where I sample so people will be hearing and experiencing my experience with the cannabis hour later.
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Gary Johnston
So where does it all start? How did you two come together to create this product and to get it out into our world? Who wants to start? Carolyn.
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Orville Bovenschen
Go ahead. It's a really it's a really good story to really go ahead.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Orville was a big fan back in the day. He found the Canna Czar. I'm not. I have a couple of different instances. I remember meeting Orville at a at a couple of parties of. And I'm not exactly sure when he had his first cancer. I have two recollections, but he could probably clarify. But nonetheless, he, he became a pretty regular client ordering, ordering boxes of canisters and this was, a company or two ago.
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Carolyn Cudmore
This was still in, still pre legalization. So, so he, he, he had a he had a vision to bring this product and he was he was committed to it come hell or high water. And seven years later, here we are at Pure Sun. It's, I think I probably glossed over a few bits there, but also to fill it in.
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Orville Bovenschen
Well, I'll fill in some of the blanks.
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Gary Johnston
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Orville Bovenschen
So going back to my roots, I started consumer cannabis really, really early. I was 14 years old. I was 30 years ago. Obviously, because of the Netherlands, we have a little bit of a headstart compared to other countries in the world. I think Canada has overtaken the Netherlands, by the way, at this point. So I met Carolyn at a party and she gave me one of the canisters and it was hands down the best product that I ever consumed.
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Orville Bovenschen
Me being European, a little bit different, I necessarily. I didn't smoke pure cannabis until I came to Canada. I always use tobacco in my cannabis, but I always added hash because that was my favorite way of doing it. A snack hash, tobacco and the flower. Now I'm I'm a traditional cannabis consume. I heard in your last episode
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Orville Bovenschen
Ask if you use a grinder. I cannot use a grinder because for me, it's a process. I have to seal it. I have to touch it. I have to smell it. It's a ritual for me. So when I started consuming the Canada, I couldn't believe the quality of the high that I was getting a statistic. The best product I've ever tried.
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Orville Bovenschen
And I have a long track record in consuming cannabis. I worked for an LP back in the day, and we tried to get this, to the market, but it was extremely challenging. The regulations, health Canada is not very progressive in its regulation. They were very progressive in the legalization, but they never really evolved into the next step, I would say, of, okay, what's actually possible.
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Orville Bovenschen
So it was extremely challenging to get this product to market. It took us a very, very long time to get here. I think, and, and I've been trying for, for 6 or 7 years to get this product on the market. And I respect the tradition of the product. It's fully handcrafted. I try to make them myself. I'm terrible at it.
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Orville Bovenschen
I can't like anything that requires finesse. I'm out. I can't do it. So you have to have very, very small hands, or you have to have a lot of sophistication in the way you roll these joints. And it takes me way too long for it ever to become profitable. I respect the product so much that I want to do everything I could and everything that we could to get it to market.
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Orville Bovenschen
And finally, it finally happened.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And the thing about coming with Orville is that I knew that he was going to respect the product the way it was in its original form, and that he was going to do everything he could to bring it in that form to the market now, because he loved it so much and he just wanted to share it. That's the thing with the canister is it's it's too good to keep to yourself.
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Carolyn Cudmore
You do want to share. You want to show it off. You want to be with your friends. It's, it's bringing the party. I always say it's when you show up with this, you're you're bringing a good time.
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Gary Johnston
So let's go back to the basics of that, then. Carolyn, let's give a description of what the canister is. What did you create and what are all the various components of it, and why are they there.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And why are they there? Well, this took a while to get this recipe down. So there was a lot of smoking, some some bad blunts and playing with things that we should probably not go together. And over time, this is when, when I was doing the pre-roll factory and we had all this access to products that people were making, and this was, this was Vancouver in the heyday.
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Carolyn Cudmore
So this is just pre legalization. And everyone was making products like it was a Mecca for like it has been since the early 2000. So like if you're in Vancouver it's pretty easy to be an advocate for cannabis because there's just so many avenues that you can go down. And when I was doing a little bit of retail work in the city, pre legacy, people were just making products left, right and center like people were coming in every other day and like, I made this, I made this and it was all with the goal that we saw it around the corner.
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Carolyn Cudmore
We knew that legalization was coming and that these products were going to be needed on all levels, like topicals, edibles. People need to consume their their cannabis in all different ways. My preferred way is, to smoke. I prefer smoking joints. That's all. Day, every day. That's my thing. I just always tell people not to try to keep up the standards.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Just let me know. You can tell you pop in when you can, but, so I'm always looking for a little bit more, for my experience, for my joints. So, I spent a lot of time in California, and that's where people would wax. And we didn't call it infused because it wasn't infused. You infused your food, you didn't infuse your pre-rolls.
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Carolyn Cudmore
So that's why it's called wax. It's kind of pre terminology. The terminology has kind of changed, as you know, it's become you know.
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Gary Johnston
But that's a real quick clarification I appreciate that the difference between infused and then what we call twaxing.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah. Because you can infuse your most of the infused pre-rolls on the market are really just a modernized flower with some kind of extract mixed in. That's why they don't burn great often, because there's hot spots and, the tamping isn't right. And that's when you want to take that to the next level where you're going to you're going to handcraft this so that you know how it feels.
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Carolyn Cudmore
You know how tight the tamping is going to be. You know that the that there's going to be enough space for the air to flow down the middle. So it was built, kind of more like a tie stick.
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Gary Johnston
Okay. Sure. I remember thai sticks.
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Carolyn Cudmore
So, I experimented with like, with cigars, with categories and don't love that experience. They're hard to make. They get moldy quickly, like they take forever. I was like, well, what's kind of the next step? Ties that, Not quite. So then you want something that's with all the kind of encompasses a lot of those things. You want it slow burning, you want the high of an extract, you want it to be special.
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Carolyn Cudmore
You know, you just you don't want it to be your average joint. So just playing around, I figured out that if you had, enough flour with with just the right amount of extra, it's not too much. And that's often what happens with tracks and is people put too much and then it just wrecks the experience, the draws and.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Right. So if you have enough flour for your core, you have a shatter steak that's evenly distributed down the middle. So you don't have those hot spots you don't have any problems with, with, with the center burn, no canoeing, no, no runs. And then if you coated in something that a lot of people are using acacia paste, but it's because, it's, it's an easy solution.
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Carolyn Cudmore
It's you can spray it on, but if you want to go a little to the next step, it's you're going to want to hand applicator something. And we've chosen distill it. So the, the thinnest layer of distillate is what you need. If you have too much. It's so thick black smoke. But if you have just the right amount it creates kind of a shell.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And that we also make a the Keefe crust is put on to the distillate and it's crust on for three days. So it needs to sit. So this is something that your average person is not going to make. They're not going to take all these steps and wait for days to smoke their joint, but I will I'm a pizza person.
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Carolyn Cudmore
I will make them and I will smoke them. And and so it just it just got to the right recipe, the right amount adding the few things like the wooden tip. I prefer would tip just for, for a few different reasons. Also esthetic. It just, it just looks badass the way with the wood tip. The heat, the heat, the disbursement is different.
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Carolyn Cudmore
The color of the paper, the, the hemp wrap is super important. We do the Dutch fold on the top, and so the shadow stake just hits the very top where the fold all goes together and you get this, this beautiful little, this little fire kind of, like, almost like a little volcano that goes at the top and you spark it.
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Carolyn Cudmore
So there's just so many beautiful things to this product that when, when, when you, when you're smoking it, people want to take pictures of heat like they want. If they want to Instagram it, they want it, they want to document it. They want their friends to be in on it. So it's it's all about the entire experience, really.
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Carolyn Cudmore
It's from opening the box and you see, you see who made it. There's a little there's a sticker who made it on the top, and.
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Gary Johnston
Stephen.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Steven made it. He's the best. He's he's my right hand. He's he's like, do it without Stephen. So, so that's a really good one. Is Stephen made it for sure.
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Gary Johnston
It was really good one. I have to say.
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Carolyn Cudmore
That's great a let them know. But even that like this, the warmth that you got, knowing that someone hand processed this and that, they put their they put between 8 to 10 minutes of their time into this smoke for you. It's it just it was it personalizes it. And it's part of the experience of from, from start to finish, you know, as to take the hemp with, that we've included and to light it and you have to read the instructions on the box.
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Gary Johnston
You do?
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Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah. You have to. Yeah. You have to be mindful because, if you're going to spend this amount of money on, on a product, you want to make sure that you're and you're consuming it the right way and you're getting the full experience like we intended.
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Gary Johnston
As I went through the experience last night, that's when I ran through that and I recorded the call to work order, and it was going through that whole experience as I opened up the box and I see that it was done by Stephen, had the the hemp wrap around that. It was all perfectly packaged. It made it really an enveloping experience.
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Gary Johnston
From the time I opened the box till I time I opened the tube and I taken it out and lit it, follow the instructions to the letter, and then after that 30 second burn and I started hold on that I was really, really impressed. It had I was concerned about a couple of things for myself in the past when I've had distillers involved, it has not done well with me.
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Gary Johnston
And so I was a little concerned that there was going to bring some harshness to it. Nothing like that at all. It was such a nice, smooth, slow burn. Each toke was really, really enjoyable. It it hit me to the core. I actually had to put it out after about 14 minutes because there was no sense me smoking anymore, because I wasn't going to get any higher.
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Gary Johnston
And so now I can do the same thing again tonight.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Hey, that's working.
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Orville Bovenschen
That's a mistake that we quite often make trying to keep up with Carolyn. As she said, I've made that mistake a couple of times. And I, I, I have a pretty high tolerance like yourself, and I have to put them out, too. Which I which I don't like doing because I feel somewhat like a failure. And it happens every single time someone.
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Gary Johnston
But I want to save it for another experience.
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Orville Bovenschen
But it just no point in anymore. But to to call this point. And you see, you can imagine if you're trying to do all of that, how complex that becomes from a regulatory perspective. Because how do you comply and you say, okay, you know, according to the regulations, you have to have a uniform distribution after cannabinoids. How do you prove that when you have a product like this and we can and I have worked on everything, we have changed for the last more desolate that this was more than Last Shadow.
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Orville Bovenschen
But the original design became coming back to the original design of being proportionally just the best. And it's a combination of premium flour, a premium shad, a really good distillate, our own key. It's a combination of everything that makes this product so good.
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Gary Johnston
And it is it is the final end result. And then I think you've you've got a winner here. Absolutely. So what? So what kind of how did you overcome some of those obstacles or event of of getting there?
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Orville Bovenschen
I think ultimately me becoming president of a company really helped.
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Gary Johnston
Yeah.
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Carolyn Cudmore:
Nailed it You know.
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Orville Bovenschen
I think our show teams, they have changed over time, but they also have learned over time in the beginning that we had to conversation with our QA team, and they wanted to test the final product, right, to have a test, the potency of the final product, they're slicing it horizontally and the testing uniformity within the joint and said, and then we had a conversation.
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Orville Bovenschen
So yeah, but wait a minute. Why are you not slicing it vertically? For instance, why are you testing uniformity horizontally. And we couldn't get past that hurdle. So we finally passed that hurdle. And then we had another close look at the regulations and can literally look at the regulation and have to prove uniformity one to the other. So joint number one is going to be the exact same.
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Orville Bovenschen
What is a certain discrepancy. What is a certain. There's a certain tolerance level there 1 to 10 of the exact same. So it's the evolution of the internal QA team and looking at the regulation and say, okay, this actually is possible. You can do this. But we have I think we have data for six years, seven years of trying to get this, trying to get this off the ground.
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Orville Bovenschen
We tested everything, like, for instance, and my standards of quality is very high. And so is Kyle. And that's why we get along so well. The initial launch, P0 and BK was around 1300. And now we need to recreate I think we created 2000 of them and 700 just did a major quality standard that we were looking for.
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Orville Bovenschen
So they're going to be destroyed and lead to waste. So the first batch probably not going to make a lot of money on it, but that was never the intent. It was the intent to respect the legacy, to respect the traditions that we have of the show. Yes, we were a very large operator. We're probably one of the largest in the world.
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Orville Bovenschen
But we do respect, the history of these products. And we are more than just great cultivators. We can do these things. And hopefully the people that a buy a product like this and say, wait a minute, it's pure sunfarms capable of doing these things. And maybe some of their flour is actually not that bad either. I hear a lot of these craft producers and I have a lot of respect for them, and Gary, you're more than welcome to visit us.
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Orville Bovenschen
I would really hope you would actually visit us in care facility if you haven't seen it. We have just as much as passion for plants as a small craft produce, and we just as passionate about cannabis as the craft producing. And I call ourselves craft at scale. The only difference is we are very, very large. We are 2,000,000ft², and we produce a lot of flour.
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Gary Johnston
You do? Yeah, absolutely. Do it. And you can hear the passion in your voice. Our horrible. It's it's obvious that you are passionate about it is, as I find most of us in the cannabis space or what we hear because we are really passionate about this, but this product. So for your journey to get to hear Carolyn, give us a sense of how that was what and what kind of hurdles you had to go through.
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Gary Johnston
And the excitement you had when you finally reached a product that you were happy with.
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Carolyn Cudmore
There's been a lot of ups and downs with this product. I mean, I'm not going to lie, but Orville and I like our hearts and souls are in this. And and he gave a pretty good rundown. We we started together way back, the NLP, I think the first time we tried was five years ago, maybe our first test.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And with version one of regulations, you couldn't even combine categories at that point. I don't know if you remember, you couldn't have flour with your extracts. So we spent, I don't know how many months, three months trying to figure out how we could comply with regulations and especially loose regulation, saying an extract just had to go through some kind of machine process.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And I was like, okay, well, is that a grinder? Yes. Is that like so how do you interpret that? And that's why she did have a really difficult time trying to figure out where this would fit in. In retrospect, we were just trying to do we were trying to do it too early. It was just too early for this product.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And even now, like the consumers ready for it now, when we were trying to launch, the last attempt that we did this, this project, it was the scalability, right? It was it was going to try to go to big and, and it's a handmade process. And so when Orville came in and he knew that this was a handmade process, he makes them himself.
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Carolyn Cudmore
It takes him more than ten minutes, but he can do so.
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Orville Bovenschen
Let's look at that. Look at.
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Carolyn Cudmore
That look. All right. You can see his hands like this guy. Yeah, yeah. I say they're like a big bunch of bananas that his hands. And so with the consumers now they're used to they're used to pre-rolls. So there were no infused pre-rolls. Even when you do this. So it was the going to be the first in the category.
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Carolyn Cudmore
And it was probably too much to be the first in the category. Like they did need to start smaller with just like one of these more simple, simple plants. And now the consumers use to that price point to they're like, okay, so now I know that I'm going to have to pay this for this. And what's the next level?
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Carolyn Cudmore
Everyone's always looking for the next best and this is the best. This is the consumer that will be using a puff co or one of those dab to consume their to consume their, raisins. And they're going to sip it. They're looking for an elevated experience. And this is this is equitable to that. But as a, as a smoking as a combustible product as they call it.
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Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah.
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Gary Johnston
Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm definitely in your target market. This was very appealing to me. And then the same thing I have a puff go from a concentrates and all those things. I really enjoyed the experience. And again, I was I was concerned about some of the harshness that might be in there. I didn't find any harshness at all.
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Gary Johnston
This was one of the smoothest smokes that I've had in a long, long time, and and it delivered a really strong high to I was I was really pleased with the end result.
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Orville Bovenschen
Yeah. What I, what I find with the high, it's, best way for me to explain. It's a very sophisticated high, like the distillate high. Normally that I have. I call that a dirty high. Almost. It hits you very hard. And how I come down of the of the dirty high of the desolate high to pure decent high end of a regular infused joint.
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Orville Bovenschen
It's not the most pleasant. I really enjoy this. It's very smooth going up. It's very sophisticated coming down. I'm much more in control. And I think that the benefit of smoking is always the onset. Different with an animal, which I find difficult to dose myself at least. That's for me is the real differentiator in this product.
00;22;53;00 - 00;23;12;22
Orville Bovenschen
And even internally, like the you, Simon, with a team of people trying to make these things and we have the whole sales team coming in, they make them. And I couldn't believe how difficult it was. And I that's why I did this fits the saw brand so well. It's legacy. It's something that we can do. It's respecting the history of the product and it brings a different kind of high.
00;23;12;29 - 00;23;33;12
Orville Bovenschen
And we got to keep on pushing boundaries with the industry. Even with Health Canada. You have to keep on pushing boundaries because more of the product was a 72% in your last podcast is buying from the illicit or from the legal market. So that means we still have around 30% that aren't that aren't right. So we need to convince those consumers, hey, this is really trying this is it's safer, it's better.
00;23;33;12 - 00;23;36;22
Orville Bovenschen
It's tested. So please come on over and have it's fine.
00;23;36;24 - 00;23;45;19
Gary Johnston
Yeah, yeah. As is. And hopefully we can get more of those people to get to this, that space. It's out all across the country in, in in all the provinces at this point.
00;23;45;21 - 00;23;53;13
Carolyn Cudmore
But we have a few to make the road. And you're like, my friends need a little bit of a break, but, we'll tell you where they're coming up.
00;23;53;19 - 00;24;09;28
Orville Bovenschen
Yeah. So we did this in BC first. Obviously there are BC based company and we always want to see how it does in a home market and compare it to all the different markets. BC is probably the most, most complicated market. We pitched to the board, they laughed at it, sold out in a day and a half, and it didn't sell out in the day because we launched it on a Friday.
00;24;10;02 - 00;24;27;00
Orville Bovenschen
I think we sold half of the math, a case of it in 45 minutes. So we pitched it to Alberta. They loved it. And we put studios. Yes, they love it as well. My only concern is that we are going to receive a pot at us that is so large that I don't know how to produce them at scale, because it's such a it's such a handcrafted product.
00;24;27;00 - 00;24;29;29
Orville Bovenschen
So we have to put a cap on how many we can actually produce.
00;24;30;01 - 00;24;41;00
Gary Johnston
And there must be I mean, we are humans and there is obviously going to be a limit of how many of these you can produce. You're guessing it's in around 8 to 10 minutes per for somebody who's who's equipped to putting it together. Carolyn?.
00;24;41;04 - 00;24;50;17
Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah, we hope to be at seven minutes is kind of our optimum number. But it takes a long time. There's so many to this. Yeah. So, and.
00;24;50;17 - 00;24;58;26
Gary Johnston
You want to have somebody over in the corner with the stopwatch you to. Now, how? Speeding through the process.
00;24;58;29 - 00;25;00;04
Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah.
00;25;00;06 - 00;25;03;15
Gary Johnston
Yeah. Are here to make money.
00;25;03;18 - 00;25;20;17
Carolyn Cudmore
Because it's true. And you can't just, not just everyone can do this. We went through a few team members that it just. They just didn't have the right touch. So it's finding the right team and and, making sure they're consistent. Like Orville said, our first batch when we went back and we were like, they just.
00;25;20;21 - 00;25;36;24
Carolyn Cudmore
If I could have taken the ones from the last few days of production, and done that times 20, we would have been perfect. But there's such a learning curve that we really did have to kind of call the pack, and they didn't make the grade, but that's just how good the quality is. And that's just that's just what we're looking for.
00;25;36;24 - 00;25;49;28
Carolyn Cudmore
Like, we want to make sure that every person has the same experience and are just thrilled and, thrilled that they got to get their hands on one, because I think it's going to be a little bit, a little bit hard to find these days.
00;25;50;00 - 00;26;07;28
Orville Bovenschen
It's not a cheap product either. Right? So you want to make sure that people have the best experience. Otherwise it's a one time purchase and they'll never come back after losses. Consumer for life because they'll never look at a brand again. They'll never look at your products again. Because I remember vividly the bad experience. A bad experience often sticks way longer than a positive experience.
00;26;08;01 - 00;26;21;18
Orville Bovenschen
So yeah, we went all out. And my focus, our focus is always quality. First it's in a flower, everything area is hanging dry and we detail everything. So you put the level of passion in what we do. So what it has to be in the cannot I do. It's a premium brand, a premium product.
00;26;21;20 - 00;26;33;19
Gary Johnston
And it displays well as your premium product. As I said, I was very impressed. Thanks for the opportunity of giving it a try. Really enjoyed the experience and enjoying the conversation as well. You guys ready for my hot tea questions?
00;26;33;25 - 00;26;34;26
Carolyn Cudmore
Oh, okay. Thank you.
00;26;34;26 - 00;26;43;15
Gary Johnston
First, they're pretty easy. They're not all that difficult. Your favorite cultivar?
00;26;43;17 - 00;26;51;00
Carolyn Cudmore
Who could I say? I do enjoy a lot of what the magic has Tim has to offer. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
00;26;51;03 - 00;26;52;19
Gary Johnston
Yeah, they've got a lot of nice cultivars.
00;26;52;20 - 00;27;04;14
Carolyn Cudmore
They really do. They really do. And I'd say salt spring. The salt spring is, The Love Hayes is one of my favorites. And I also, I'm smoking a lot of pomelo skunk from BK.
00;27;04;16 - 00;27;06;21
Gary Johnston
Absolutely. Yeah. From Victoria cannabis. Nice.
00;27;06;24 - 00;27;08;25
Carolyn Cudmore
So those are those are two of my favorites.
00;27;08;27 - 00;27;16;28
Orville Bovenschen
But you see there we have the patches because I was hoping Carolyn would at least mention one of ours. But that's okay. That's okay. I'm not offended. Now.
00;27;17;01 - 00;27;25;12
Carolyn Cudmore
Should I say bold face? I smoked the Gold Face from Pure Sunfarms is fantastic, but is also on my regular route to my birthday.
00;27;25;14 - 00;27;26;13
Gary Johnston
And for you, Orville.
00;27;26;15 - 00;27;32;04
Orville Bovenschen
So I'm heavily biased towards my childhood. So I really like an old school white widow.
00;27;32;07 - 00;27;33;02
Gary Johnston
Oh, nice.
00;27;33;04 - 00;27;56;13
Orville Bovenschen
That's what I smoke. Growing up, that's how we used to grow back home a lot. If I look at pure sunfarms, I have to give it to Pinkus. It's a legacy strength for us. It's the only strain. It's been consistent throughout the. That hasn't faded. Really? Demand for Pinkus is really strong. If I have to look at our newer genetics, I feel like push, which is a mix between pineapple God up increase, which is also quite special for me.
00;27;56;13 - 00;28;15;23
Orville Bovenschen
I always go back to the original older diesel strains and the newer strains that sometimes fantastic, but they're so potent these days that the White widow at 17, 18, 19% for the or the two 3% drippings is what I got used to. It's what I grew up with. So those always go to those are my go to strains to be quite honest.
00;28;15;25 - 00;28;16;19
Gary Johnston
Nice. Excellent.
00;28;16;22 - 00;28;22;12
Carolyn Cudmore
Yeah. Any kind of increase right. Like that's what we're missing I think these days is some nice some land races and.
00;28;22;12 - 00;28;29;17
Gary Johnston
Some absolutely in some of the lower as you say, the lower THC is we don't we don't always have to be up in those 20 high 20s and early 30s.
00;28;29;18 - 00;28;30;13
Carolyn Cudmore
No, no.
00;28;30;16 - 00;28;41;09
Orville Bovenschen
So we discuss it with the board all the time. Because I'm very much of an advocate of, of being able to do so. The problem is often the boards say, yeah, we will not buy those strains because they, they will not sell.
00;28;41;11 - 00;28;45;25
Gary Johnston
I know, I know, I hear that from a lot of people. And then we've got to find a way to fix that.
00;28;46;00 - 00;28;50;11
Orville Bovenschen
Yeah, that's a different podcast. That's a different podcast.
00;28;50;13 - 00;28;51;29
Gary Johnston
And joints or vape.
00;28;52;01 - 00;28;53;06
Carolyn Cudmore
Joints all day and.
00;28;53;07 - 00;29;09;23
Orville Bovenschen
Not even close unless, unless it's a live resin vape. Then I'll then I'll do it. But this little vape, it's a new consumer, and I absolutely understand why we have a lot of them as well to do it. They do very well. It's a grab and go consumer. They're a young consumer. I absolutely understand it.
00;29;09;23 - 00;29;14;22
Orville Bovenschen
But I'm a traditional guy. So I like I like flour, I like the answer, the flour about everything else.
00;29;14;25 - 00;29;19;29
Gary Johnston
Me too. And the desolate vapes do absolutely nothing for me either. So I totally get that.
00;29;20;01 - 00;29;21;02
Carolyn Cudmore
I just make me cough.
00;29;21;04 - 00;29;24;14
Gary Johnston
Yeah, exactly. They make me cough. All right. Your favorite munchie.
00;29;24;16 - 00;29;31;00
Speaker 5
Oh, God. This is a whole.
00;29;31;03 - 00;29;33;22
Carolyn Cudmore
Different munchie. Anything that I bake, I do a lot.
00;29;33;23 - 00;29;36;10
Gary Johnston
I think that sounds good to me. I love the baking.
00;29;36;13 - 00;29;37;27
Orville Bovenschen
Chocolate all day long.
00;29;38;00 - 00;29;38;13
Gary Johnston
Chocolate?
00;29;38;13 - 00;29;38;25
Orville Bovenschen
Chocolate.
00;29;38;25 - 00;29;42;14
Gary Johnston
Of course. And finally, edibles or flower.
00;29;42;18 - 00;29;43;06
Carolyn Cudmore
Flower.
00;29;43;09 - 00;29;44;17
Orville Bovenschen
Flower for sure.
00;29;44;19 - 00;29;53;18
Gary Johnston
Flower for sure. I'm the same way. Edibles. My endocannabinoid system just doesn't do much with edibles, so that's all I can need as many things I want and it just doesn't have that same effect.
00;29;53;18 - 00;30;09;17
Orville Bovenschen
So I was I was thinking about edibles and something that Carolyn bakes. So not everybody on the market. That's right. Took a long to answer because then I might change her mind, but otherwise. So she bake something with chocolate that is not on the market right now, like with some nice butter into that, because that's a different story.
00;30;09;21 - 00;30;12;10
Orville Bovenschen
Otherwise I'm sticking with flour.
00;30;12;13 - 00;30;13;01
Gary Johnston
Excellent.
00;30;13;07 - 00;30;20;05
Carolyn Cudmore
We have a whole section here that we can experiment in. So, we're pretty set up. We can I'm looking forward to Orville is going to bring forward.
00;30;20;12 - 00;30;23;08
Gary Johnston
Yeah. Cool. So you've been in the role for just over a year now, Orville.
00;30;23;15 - 00;30;45;06
Orville Bovenschen
Yeah, I was the one, in 2017. And let's look at the conversion of this. The semi-closed greenhouse. Greenhouse is not the right word anymore because it's much more sophisticated than from tomatoes and cannabis. So I noticed this little guy very well, and I built a couple of other facilities, and have been around cannabis for quite some time, actually tried to stay out of cannabis my whole life, because I didn't think it was going anywhere back home.
00;30;45;06 - 00;30;55;17
Orville Bovenschen
And now obviously the Netherlands has legalized we have one of the ten licenses to cultivate in the Netherlands as well. And then I end up in this role. So as irony could kill, I would be, I'll be done.
00;30;55;19 - 00;31;10;17
Gary Johnston
Very cool, very cool. Well, thank you both for sharing your story with me today. And the story of the cannabis. I'm glad we had an opportunity to tell the world about it and to express the enthusiasm that you have and that I have for the product. Really, really impressed. Any final words?
00;31;10;19 - 00;31;22;02
Carolyn Cudmore
No. Thanks for having us. I'm, like I just said, I'm. I'm really excited to see what Orville's going to bring for this next version of Pure Sun and all the innovation that he has planned. He's, he's a real innovator, and he's an OG!.
00;31;22;04 - 00;31;23;03
Gary Johnston
00;31;23;06 - 00;31;37;15
Orville Bovenschen
Now, Gary, thanks so much. You're more than welcome to come here. I would love, if you want to talk about it to do a I do that. There's actually a lot to see here. I think it'd be very impressive what we're doing. There's a lot of good things coming. We have a lot of new ideas planned, even different iterations of the canister.
00;31;37;15 - 00;31;43;24
Orville Bovenschen
They'll be coming out with different things. And a shadow, snake in there. There's a lot of good stuff coming, so keep your eyes on.
00;31;43;26 - 00;31;46;10
Gary Johnston
Excellent. Wonderful. Well, I hope you both enjoy the rest of your day.
00;31;46;17 - 00;31;46;27
Carolyn Cudmore
Thank you.
00;31;46;28 - 00;31;47;26
Orville Bovenschen
Thank you so much for your time.
00;31;48;01 - 00;31;49;11
Carolyn Cudmore
I hope to see you here sometime. Gary.
00;31;49;15 - 00;31;59;12
Speaker 5
THC, CBD Turpene profile. What's in Me? Oh, please explain to me. Cultivar Corner.
00;31;59;14 - 00;32;05;07
Unknown
Cultivar Corner
00;32;05;07 - 00;32;08;28
Speaker 5
Please explain this stuff to me.
00;32;09;01 - 00;32;33;23
Gary Johnston
Welcome to Cultivar Corner. Brought to you by Up in Smoke at 258 West Broadway in Vancouver. And online at It's Up and Smoke. Com. Now, typically we have been bringing you some direct delivery specials and we're going to switch it up this week because this is a product that you can probably pick up anywhere. You can obviously pick it up at Oven Smoke at 258 West Broadway, but perhaps you can't get to that store.
00;32;33;25 - 00;33;03;07
Gary Johnston
There are other places you can get it. Because this has just been released and there's a lot of excitement about this. This is from soar, and it's called the Kenner czar. So let's get into it. This is, 2.1g specialty wax blunt. Now, we talked about taxing on last episode. We talked about what that is bringing some concentrates and special concentrates and wrapping that with a little kief and some oil.
00;33;03;07 - 00;33;31;20
Gary Johnston
And then we'll get into the details of it, but I'm pretty stoked on it. So this is PSAs. Their canners are. It's a 2.1g specialty wax blunt. And as soon as you open up the box, it starts being interesting, because I have a nice glass tube here and wrapped around that glass tube is a little piece of hemp wick so that I can light my canister and not spoil the flavor of it with butane from my lighter.
00;33;31;22 - 00;33;54;20
Gary Johnston
That's a pretty nice touch. It's just a simple thing, but it's a nice touch. And I know I'm pretty sure that these are hand assembled. In fact, mine was assembled and handcrafted by Stephen. Thank you. Stephen, it looks like you did a good job on it. Inside this glass tube, you open that up, and then you start to smell the wonder that inside of that.
00;33;54;23 - 00;34;20;24
Gary Johnston
Oh, my goodness sakes. So this is a 2.1g wax blunt. Oh it it is just Keith coated from tip to end. And let's read the box. Here's the details of the canister, from the folks it saw and of course created by Carolyn Cudmore. And that's really cool. I'm glad she's had an opportunity to bring her product to market.
00;34;21;01 - 00;34;48;18
Gary Johnston
So the legacy wax plant, the started it all infused with a golden shatter snake encased within freshly ground flower and carefully wrapped in a slow burning hemp blunt, paper coated with pure THC distillate and generously decorated in a premium chilled keef crust, accompanied with a natural hemp wick to preserve the pure cannabis flavor. When lighting. That's really cool and it looks really cool.
00;34;48;21 - 00;35;15;21
Gary Johnston
Smells absolutely delightful as I drop that underneath my nose. And then here's the kicker. There's instructions. Which is good because again, this is a slightly different element for all of us. Many of us haven't tried one of these before. And so, you know, I think of letting a joint, I pull out my lighter, I flip it to the end of that joint, and I puff a couple of times, and I take my lighter away.
00;35;15;23 - 00;35;38;29
Gary Johnston
Well, that would have given us a bad experience. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to light one end of the hemp wick away from the blunt, and then we're going to use that hemp wick to light the end of the candles. We're going to rotate the blunt slowly to evenly ignite the end. And we'll let the flame catch on the blunt and burn for approximately 30s.
00;35;39;01 - 00;36;00;09
Gary Johnston
Now I have a lot of stopwatches around. I may not make that approximate. And then we're going to blow out the flame and inhale. And then of course, because this the whole point of this is you want this to be a nice slow burn and a really enjoyable burn, because the THC is going to be higher than just a standard joint.
00;36;00;12 - 00;36;21;14
Gary Johnston
And I've changed things up a little bit. I'm actually doing this in the middle of my evening, because I want my night to end in a rather enjoyable way, and I think the Canna Czar, is the way I'm going to get there. So, we'll dive into more details as we come to them, but I think it's time we get this lit and then we'll see how long it stays lit and how long we enjoy the experience.
00;36;21;16 - 00;36;39;06
Gary Johnston
Here we go. I'm lighting the hemp wick, as I was instructed on the box. That hemp wick now has a good flame on it. So I'm going to apply that hemp wick to the end of my tracks. Blunt.
00;36;39;09 - 00;36;55;05
Gary Johnston
Make sure I've got a good burn on that, and I do. So now I'm going to blow up my wick and I'm going to let that burn for 30s.
00;36;55;07 - 00;37;18;06
Gary Johnston
And I'm at the five second 1520. Okay. It in itself burned itself out as I continue to roll it at about 15 seconds.
00;37;18;09 - 00;37;35;07
Gary Johnston
And then you have to take a draw on it, much like you do a cigaret or a cigar. And it also has a really nice wooden tip that a nice touch.
00;37;35;09 - 00;37;40;09
Gary Johnston
On when you do.
00;37;40;11 - 00;38;06;03
Gary Johnston
All that really nice taste. So I don't know whether I'm tasting the flour, whether I'm tasting that little bit of shatter snake down the middle or I'm tasting the Keith crust on the outside, but oh, that's really nice.
00;38;06;05 - 00;38;42;03
Gary Johnston
And I will say it's burning really nice and slowly. I'm just going to keep hanging on to that. Now, this, of course, is the kind of, experience, that you're going to share with people. You're going to have a group of people that are going to gather around as you light that and make it a bit of a, make it a bit of an entertainment, a bit of a story, and then you'll pass it around, unlike me, who's down here in my studio by myself, making sure that I try this are and,
00;38;42;05 - 00;39;05;27
Gary Johnston
But I love the way it's packed that you have to do that. Draw on it much like a cigar or a cigaret, as opposed to just, you know, standard hauling on the joints. Not going to cut it in this case. And I am now down about a quarter of an inch off the end of that. I'm very pleased to tell you that at the end of that canister, it's burning really smoothly.
00;39;05;28 - 00;39;21;24
Gary Johnston
To let me point that out, it's pretty nice and evenly as it moves its way down. And that's a nice gray ash hanging on the back of that right now. So let me roll that off of there.
00;39;21;27 - 00;39;59;24
Gary Johnston
And let's dive into a bit more details if I have some. So this is from the source site. The can are indica 32 to 36%. And the THC on mine is sitting at 36.2%. That could explain why I'm feeling what I'm feeling. Already saw present. The Canna Czar are a larger than life 2.1g specialty wax blunt. Debuting for the first time since its legacy days, this masterfully handcrafted creation is a five layered experience brought to you in partnership with the cancer from the inside out.
00;39;59;24 - 00;40;09;25
Gary Johnston
It begins with the gold shatter snake encased with freshly ground flower pours for another puff.
00;40;09;27 - 00;40;48;27
Gary Johnston
Carefully wrapped in a slow burning hemp blunt paper coated with pure THC distillate and generously hand decorated with a premium chilled Keith crust, accompanied by a natural hemp wick for lighting to preserve flavor and integrity. And again, a nice, really nice gray ash on the end of that. And I have to tell you, I was a bit concerned when I heard that it was in totally coated with pure THC distillate, because distillate and I have not had a very good relationship over the years, and certainly when I try it in a vape cartridge, it doesn't sit well with my throat.
00;40;48;27 - 00;41;02;22
Gary Johnston
But this, this is really nice. And I got to tell you, I've been I've been holding on this now for for four minutes.
00;41;02;24 - 00;41;26;07
Gary Johnston
And it's only moved down and half an inch down the entire length of the canister. And what's going to be really nice about this one? Based on the way I'm feeling right now, I'm actually going to be able to put this out and light it again and have more fun. Okay. Featuring Flower is Keith. The chem trail is the indica.
00;41;26;07 - 00;41;42;08
Gary Johnston
The shatter is an amber platinum grapes. Also an indica. Now I have more of my details correct. And the terpenes are caryophellene, linalool and myrcene
00;41;42;10 - 00;42;18;19
Gary Johnston
So again, good perspective from my from my perspective this is really nice and smooth. I love a good pre-rolls that doesn't kill my throat and doesn't challenge me to hold back the cough all the way through it. This is not doing that, and I'm starting to feel it. That 36% THC that mine is sitting at 36.2%. So obviously more than the 18 to the 29 or the 30 that we're we're throwing out in our usual joint.
00;42;18;19 - 00;42;42;05
Gary Johnston
So stepping it up a little bit. Carolyn, really nice. This is really a nice smoke. And it's going to last. It's going to last a while. I am literally going to be able to put this out and save it again for another time. I am so happy about that because I was worried about it. I was worried about a couple of things.
00;42;42;08 - 00;43;03;08
Gary Johnston
Having the combination of all those different types of cannabis and the extract, is that going to be harsh in my throat? No, it hasn't been. And again, all the distillate. Is that going to have an impact on me? No it didn't. This is really, really nice.
00;43;03;11 - 00;43;37;02
Gary Johnston
Oh and it is burning so slowly. It's gone down maybe maybe a half to three quarters of an inch from the time I've started. Then it's been rolling for a solid seven minutes now. This is really nice and I'm not going to burden you to listen to me while I while I ramble on as this just continues to burn and we get into that 15 minute mark, it's probably going to be a little boring by then, but.
00;43;37;04 - 00;44;02;19
Gary Johnston
Here to hear it is. I'm in immersed in a euphoric high. That is feeling really, really nice. Clearly this isn't indica. It's hitting into my body as well. So I got really nice action happening in my head. Fortunately for me, a lot of clarity. I'm not having a lot of, I don't feel that stupor that some people get from the indica, but certainly not me.
00;44;02;21 - 00;44;10;23
Gary Johnston
Oh, let me have another hit.
00;44;10;26 - 00;44;39;21
Gary Johnston
Oh, boy. Given an opportunity to share this, with a group of people now that again, we're past those pandemic days and we can actually share joint. This is really nice. Really, really enjoying the taste. Really, really enjoying the experience and really, really enjoying the high. I think it's time I put this out and I come back to it later because.
00;44;39;23 - 00;45;09;15
Gary Johnston
Because I honestly don't think if I continue to smoke this, it's going to change the level of of intoxication that I'm at. I think my CB1 receptors are full right now and they are at the max. Euphoria, body chill, just all those lovely things that we like to feel when we want to get high from cannabis.
00;45;09;17 - 00;45;38;28
Gary Johnston
We've done it again. This is a really nice innovation. Thanks to the folks at Pure Sunfarms at saw. Orville Bove and John Carroll and Cudmore. And of course, let's also thank Up in Smoke for sponsoring Cultivar Quarter and giving you an opportunity to you. In fact, in fact, you may have seen the video when Carolyn bought the very first one of the canisters from Matted Up in Smoke.
00;45;39;00 - 00;46;01;15
Gary Johnston
So you two could do the same thing. You can go and pick one up for there for yourself. If you live in BC and you're 19 years of age, of course. Oh, the cat is this is some great innovation. And I had a blast
00;46;01;18 - 00;46;03;13
Ian
sharing stories about good weed while trying good weed.
This is the cannabis podcast.
00;46;03;15 - 00;46;20;13
Gary Johnston
And after all of that work, we've made it to the conclusion of another episode. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate the fact that you are along for the ride. And let's finish with some chuckles for your brain. I know they're a little punny, but you'll get over it. What did the stoners say to the pizza delivery guy?
00;46;20;16 - 00;46;42;28
Gary Johnston
I know I ordered a large, but can you make it a little higher? Why don't you ever see elephants hiding in trees? Because they're really good at disguising themselves as marijuana plants. What do you say to your friend who doesn't share their marijuana? We'd like to smoke together, man. And what the stoners favorite way to communicate through high speed internet connection.
00;46;43;00 - 00;47;01;13
Gary Johnston
And why did the marijuana get a job as a chef? It wanted to work with pot every day, and I work with pot every day, so I guess I can consider myself myself a chef. Thank you so much for being here. From the guy in the clouds. That's it for episode 186 of the Cannabis Podcast.
00;47;01;15 - 00;47;09;25
Ian
From the Cannabis infused studio high above the Okanagan Valley. This was the cannabis Podcast.